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Those who monitor the fortunes of the far-right in Europe will be increasingly familiar with a bizarre Hungarian outfit known as ‘Jobbik’.
On the face of it, the organisation is a generic nationalist movement, aimed at closing Hungary’s borders, re-emphasising its national identity and cracking down hard on domestic criminals.
Beneath that veneer however lies a perverse, little-known ideology that should completely disqualify the party from any greater European solidarity. That ideology is called ‘Turanism’.
A Turanist website describes the scope of this concept as follows:
“The Turanians are a family of ethno-linguistically related peoples which include the Hungarians, the Uralic group (Finnic and West Siberian peoples), and the Altaic group (Turkic, Mongolian, Tungus-Manchu, Korean and Japanese peoples). The Turanians are the indigenous inhabitants of vast territories in Eurasia, from Central Europe to the Pacific Ocean, and have a rich and ancient cultural heritage… Throughout history, the Turanian lands have been invaded by foreigners: Semites, Persians, Chinese, Greeks, Romans, Slavs, and Germanic peoples. In many cases, the indigenous Turanian peoples have been and are still subjected to genocide, colonization, deportation, or assimilation. Foreign rule has not only caused great losses in demographic and cultural terms, but also economically and environmentally as severe damages have been inflicted by the exploitation and pollution of the Turanian lands.”
Hungarians, or ‘Maygars’ are therefore (in Turanist theory) not European in origin, but rather descend from a mixture of Central Asian peoples, closely related to the Mongolian, Turkic and (in some extreme variants of the idea) Japanese ethnic groups.
And Jobbik, far from the ‘White Nationalist’ movement the media has intimated hitherto, seems determined to de-emphasise if not abolish Hungary’s identification with European history.
Of all the follies of Turanism, it is naturally the identification with Turks that should most bother Counter-Jihad activists.
Unsurprisingly, given the local bitterness about being refused entry into the EU, Turanism is enjoying a particular renaissance in the Ottoman fatherland, where its nationalistic adherents hungrily recognise a knife with which to prise apart the bloc that so cruelly denied them.
A Turanic axis, inclusive of Turkey, Hungary, Azerbaijan and the Azeri region of Iran would be disastrous, not just for Western Europe, but also for Russia, whose vast Asian territory is claimed by the same movement.
For now, Jobbik is rightly sidelined by mainstream Nationalist movements for its Anti-Semitic, anti-Ziganist, and anti-Democratic energies. Only the BNP and like-minded siblings embrace the group and even with these, desperation (rather than approval) supplies the motivation.
Still, the party provides welcome evidence, if any were required, of how unmalleable theories of biology cannot allow for a realistic solution to the predominantly cultural battles of our era. A great deal of cultural history separates Hungarians from Turks, even if blood does not. It will be a measure of Europe’s strength as to which way Hungary turns.
D, LDN.
Thereality said:
FIRST:
Read about the pseudo-history of Hungarian turanism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Turanism
There aren’t scholars who support (academics, university professor linguists or historians) it on this planet, who believe in the ethnic or linguistic relations/connections of Hungarian people and Turkic people.
Hungarian people and language are not related with turkic people and language:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_language
2.
Hungarians are genetically more european than most slavic speaking people (who contain more Asian mongoloid Y and mt.DNA haplogroup markers), but many Northern Germanic nations have higher ratio of Mongolid haplogroup markers . See the ratio of Central Asian haplogroup „Q” and the other mongoloid haplogroup marker „N” (aka. N1C1) markers in the genetic CHART of European nations:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
And see the ratio of middle-eastern haplogroup markers (various „J”) in all balkan populations (inc. Romania). De facto, these nations populations genetically are less European than Hungarians.
Do not forget that vast majority of balkan population is not only genetically but anthropogically less white (average darker eye and hair color, skin tone) people. Just type in google image searcher: „eye color map” , „hair color map”.
Skin tone map:
Hair color map
Eye color map:
3.
Culturally, both islam and the semi-asian orthodox countries were traditionally west-hater civilizations. Hungary is a Central European country, and part of the Catholic-Protestant western civilization. Hungary is not Eastern European (Orthodox = semi-asian culture) country.
What is Western Civilization?
The earliest mention of Western civilization “Occidental civilis”
After the Great Schism (The East-West Schism /formally in 1054/, between Western Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christianity.) Hungary determined itself as the easternmost bastion of Western civilisation (This statement was affirmed later by Pope Pius II who wrote that to Emperor Friedrich III, “Hungary is the shield of Christianity and the protector of Western civilization”)
It is not a secret in history, that countries civilizations are/were not in the same level of development.
It is well-known that Western and Central Europe, ( the so-called Western civilization) was always more developed than Orthodox Slavic or Eastern European civilization.
The cultural the societal-system and the economical civilizational (and technological) differences between Orthodox countries and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries were similar great, as the differences between Northern America (USA Canada) and Southern- (Latino) America.
MEMENTO:
Western things which were not existed in orthodox world:
1.Medieval appearance of parliaments (a legislative body(!), DO NOT CONFUSE with the “councils of monarchs” which existed since the beginning of human history),
2. Knights, the knight-culture and the technological effects of crusades from the Holy Land,
3.The self-government status of big royal/imperial cities, (local government systems of cities), which is the direct ancestor of modern self/local governmental systems.
4. The appearance of stone / brick castle defense system and fortified cities. (In Orthodox world only Byzantine empire had such an extensive system in Greek territories)
5. The medieval appearance of banking systems and social effects and status of urban bourgeoisie,
6.The medieval appearance of universities and the medieval appearance of secular intellectuals,
7.Philosophy: Scholasticism and humanist philosophy,
8.The medieval usage of Latin alphabet and medieval spread of movable type printing,
9.The medieval western theater: Mystery or cycle plays and morality passion plays,
10.The architecture, sculpture paintings and fine-arts: Romanesque Gothic and Renaissance styles.
The renaissance & humanism , the reformation and the enlightenment did not influenced/affected the Orthodox (Eastern European) countries.
Before 1870, the industrialization that had developed in Western and Central Europe and the United States did not extend in any significant way to the rest of the world. In Eastern Europe, industrialization lagged far behind, and started only in the 20th century.
4. About the Finno-Ugric and IE language groups.
Just some Hard-facts: Finno-Ugric language group was born in N-Eastern Europe, until the roots of ancient IE language groups go back to Asian continent. In the Eurasian
supercontinent, there are more native speakers of IE languages in the ASIAN continent than in Europen continent. (Just remember the large IE speaking populations of India Pakistan Iran)
However, the 97% of Finno-ugric speaking people live in Europe. Therefore to call finno-ugric languages as “asian languages” is laughable illogical, unscientific and
misleading.
TYPE IN ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA:”Proto Indo Europeans”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans
and see the maps about original ancient IE people!France Britain Italy haven’t signifficant proto indoeuropean genes.The
Germanic people have also very very low ratio of ancient IE haplogroup markers (R1a),only Eastern Europeans have high ratio of original proto IE haplogroups markers.Western
European languages belongs to IE language group,but in very very distant way.(Language-shift)Real genetic IE people equal with the Eastern European people: and it represent lower culture,technology&lower scientific
economic development in European continent.
5. Hungary is not Eastern European country.
Hungary (similar to Poland Czech Rep. Germany Switzerland Poland etc..) is a Central European country, and it is part of western (catholic-protestant) western culture.
See the old Encyclopedia Britannica from 1911:
HUNGARY (Hungarian Magyarorszag), a country in the south-eastern pertion of Central Europe,
http://archive.org/stream/encyclopaediabrit13chisrich#page/894/mode/1up/search/hungary
See Modern Britannica:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/276730/Hungary
Hungary, Hungarian Magyarország, landlocked country of central Europe. The capital is Budapest.
German BrockHaus Encyclopedia
Click to access BE_Burg.pdf
Columbia Encyclopedia
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Hungary.aspx
French Larousse Encyclopedia
http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/pays/Hongrie/111520
Hungary is Central European: CIA World Factbook
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/hu.html
Encarta Encyclopedia
http://web.archive.org/web/20091028125450/http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761559741/Hungary.html
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Defend the Modern World said:
Just to clarify, I wasn’t endorsing Turanist theories of racial descent and I would completely agree that Hungarians are European. Jobbik is a dangerous movement to Hungarians as well as Hungary’s minorities. I don’t think any Hungarian would like to be grouped in with Turks and Mongolians. Jobbik should be roundly condemned by Hungarian nationalists.
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Defend the Modern World said:
And Jobbik’s anti-Semitism is also a worrying feature of the movement. It can lead to alliances with Muslim countries.
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Durghaim said:
Whether you like it or not, the anti-semitism is traditional part of European culture.
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eib said:
Western civilization is not white fascism.
If anything, these so-called Westerners will be the greatest allies Muslims have ever had. They are truly cut from the same cloth.
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Defend the Modern World said:
Very true.
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Longhorn said:
Antisemitism is part of the Western Civilization since the beginnings. See the role of Catholic and protestant churches in European history.
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Defend the Modern World said:
It has been in the past, but it needn’t be in the future.
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